========================================================================= INFO-ATARI16 Digest Tue, 5 Dec 89 Volume 89 : Issue 756 Today's Topics: Atracting new Club members foldrxxx.prg FORM, nice but... Form Doc's Help with Uniterm 2.0e MIDI Help Richard, Richard, Richard! (was Re: Mega chips & drive questions) Trash, Disks, etc. VERSAdos ? What Kermit/UNITERM bugs? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Dec 89 16:22:54 GMT From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!mcdphx!hrc!force!covertr@ucsd.edu (Richard E. Covert) Subject: Atracting new Club members Message-ID: <473f18ee.14a1f@force.UUCP> I want to thank the following people for responding to my request about attracting new members to the Phoenix Atari Club: Greg Lindahl Robert Retelle from the Michigan Atari Computer Enthusiasts (MACE) club Keith Hedger : ?...!?uunet!inmet!hedger hedger@inmet.inmet.com Tim Northrup The main points that they all said was to distribute flyers at my local Atari store. Some suggested a free Club disk with each ST purchase. Bob Retelle suggested registering the club with Bob Brodie at Atari. But, with the revolving door policy at Atari we would have to re-register the club every few months ( :-) ). Our local ST sdealer doesn't have the room for us to hold our meetings in his store. So, we still need to find a better place to meet. The local community college wants $500 a day for a room, with a $500,000 insurance policy. So, we can't meet there. My company has a great auditorium, but we can't let unescorted people into the building (don't want to let out our secrets :-)). We want to meet on Saturday mornings as that is the most conveneint time for our members. I personally think that the we need a better, bigger, meeting place before we will attract new members. It is a Chicken and the Egg thing. We can't seat many more members in our current location, but without more members we can't afford a bigger meeting place. -- Richard E. Covert (covertr@gtephx) (602) - 581-4652 | AG Communications Systems, Phoenix AZ | UUCP: ?ncar!noao!asuvax | uunet!zardoz!hrc | att?!gtephx!covertr ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 89 18:34:13 GMT From: shlump.nac.dec.com!engage.enet.dec.com!oldtmr!wallace@decwrl.dec.com (Ray Wallace) Subject: foldrxxx.prg Message-ID: <1373@engage.enet.dec.com> In article <5587@sdcc6.ucsd.edu>, pa1562@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (C. SQuibby Breyman) writes... > Pardon me, but I have a copy of foldrxxx.prg that...How does one use it? Rename FOLDRxxx.PRG such that you replace the xxx with a number. Then place the renamed program in your \auto folder. The number is the number of additional folders (above and beyond the 40 folder limit) you want memory allocated for. Examples: FOLDR100.PRG Allows almost 140 folders TOTAL FOLDR135.PRG Allows almost 175 folders FOLDR400.PRG Allows a couple of large HD's :-) What I do is keep xxx (the number) set to the TOTAL number of folders on all my hard drive partitions plus about 10 or 20. AND I count the number of folders (adjusting xxx accordingly) occasionaly. This leaves room for what ever folders might be on any floppies you have in the floppy drive and some room to create more folders on your HD. --- Ray Wallace (INTERNET,UUCP) wallace@oldtmr.enet.dec.com (UUCP) ...!decwrl!oldtmr.enet!wallace (INTERNET) wallace%oldtmr.enet@decwrl.dec.com --- ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 89 15:30:13 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!mcdphx!hrc!force!covertr @tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Richard E. Covert) Subject: FORM, nice but... Message-ID: <473ee9d5.14a1f@force.UUCP> In article <298@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, bmaraldo@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Commander Brett Maraldo) writes: > > >Now what is inclusive speech? Should I have written the manual > >in fortran? > > I hope you are kidding, but in case you aren't: Inclusive speech > includes both the male and female genders. Instead of saying 'Go to the > doctor, he'll fix you up' you must say 'Go to the doctor, he or she will ~~~~~~~~~ Shouldn't that be "she or he" ?? :-) > fix you up.' > > Brett L Maraldo > a a a a a a a a a a a a -- Richard E. Covert (covertr@gtephx) (602) - 581-4652 | AG Communications Systems, Phoenix AZ | UUCP: ?ncar!noao!asuvax | uunet!zardoz!hrc | att?!gtephx!covertr ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 89 15:33:42 GMT From: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!asuv ax!mcdphx!hrc!force!covertr@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Richard E. Covert) Subject: Form Doc's Message-ID: <473eecf4.14a1f@force.UUCP> In article <5120.257a7166@elroy.uh.edu>, richard@elroy.uh.edu writes: > In article <89338.035427JJL101@PSUVM.BITNET>, J.J. Lehett writes: > > Is there anyone that knows where I could get a copy of the Documents to > > Form other than in DVI form....preferably in straight ASCII type. > > I could also use an ASCII copy of the docs as I dont have a copy of TEX > and would not care to attempt to hack my way through learning TEX even > if I did have a copy of it. > Thanks, > Richard Coggins > University Of Houston I can use tha ASCII docs to FORM as well. Hey, it doesn't seem like many folks like the TeX docs to form. Must be some form of Elitest mentatlity to post docs to a program in a format that 99% of the people don't use. Hey, if you are good enough you will have TeX, right? :-) Oh well, it could have been done in nroff, which at least most UN*X people have access to. -- Richard E. Covert (covertr@gtephx) (602) - 581-4652 | AG Communications Systems, Phoenix AZ | UUCP: ?ncar!noao!asuvax | uunet!zardoz!hrc | att?!gtephx!covertr ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 89 20:03:20 GMT From: pasteur!helios.ee.lbl.gov!ux1.lbl.gov!keithj@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Keith J Groves) Subject: Help with Uniterm 2.0e Message-ID: <4382@helios.ee.lbl.gov> I believe what you need to do is to get into the setup mode and go into the telephone setup menu. Try changing the dial retry count to 3 or more, (the count should be at least more than one). Once you get back into the terminal screen and you encounter the same problem with the phone line, just hit the undo key and instead of quitting, which uniterm will ask of you, just type no. After that, you should be back on line. Keith Groves ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 89 18:55:22 GMT From: obryan@gumby.wisc.edu (Mark O'Bryan) Subject: MIDI Help Message-ID: <924@gumby.cc.wmich.edu> In article <8911270801.AA22825@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, AD0834@ALBNYVMS.BITNET writes: > > I am trying to write a patch librarian for a 520STFM and a Roland D-10 > keyboard. I am having problems because the input buffer on the ST isn't > large enough to hold the 256 byte blocks that the D-10 sends, and > unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to write a program which will > snag data from the buffer fast enough to prevent it overflowing. > > Basically, my problem is this: I need to change the size of the MIDI > input buffer on the ST from the default 128 bytes to 256 (or more) > bytes. Does anyone know how to do this?!? Better yet, does anyone know > of PD MIDI librarians? A call to the XBios routine IoRec for device 2 (MIDI) will return a pointer to the parameter block that contains all the information which controls the buffering of input data. The first item is a long pointer to the input buffer. So you set up your own area, then redirect the input there by resetting that pointer. This is followed by a buffer size word, which you need to set, then a pair of head and tail indices. Setting them to the same value will 'empty' the input buffer. When you're all done, you'll want to put things back the way they were, before your program exits. Otherwise, you'll probably have a nasty crash. The above is from memory. If you need details, I can look up the specifics. As for PD MIDI librarians, there are things like STMIDIEX, but they won't be useful with Roland gear due to their need for handshaking and timing constraints. -- Mark T. O'Bryan Internet: obryan@gumby.cc.wmich.edu Western Michigan University Kalamazoo, MI 49008 ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 89 16:05:22 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!mcdphx!hrc!force!covertr@uunet.uu.net (Richard E. Covert) Subject: Richard, Richard, Richard! (was Re: Mega chips & drive questions) Message-ID: <473f0941.14a1f@force.UUCP> In article <1104890110363128@thelake.UUCP>, steve@thelake.UUCP (Steve Yelvington) writes: Steve, if you want to pull individual statements out of context than most posts will look confusing. I was simply trying to point out how the KXP4450 laser printer is better suited, for *MY* application. You see Steve, my point about the SLM804 is that for what it does, the SLM804 does EXCELLENTLY. but what it doesn't do, it fails miserably. For strictly ST work, the SLM804 is a great, but OVERpriced, laser printer. But, I wanted to use my laser printer, at a full 300 dpi, with my Spectre cartridge, which I can't do without resorting to buying the $500 UltraScript package (US plus its fonts). So, while it isn't Atari's fault that I can't print under Spectre, it is still a shortcoming. Also, the SLM804 doesn't emulate an Epson printer, so a lot of goofy little programs like AwardMaker won't print to the SLM804. My friend has tried using LaserBrain with the SLM804 since he bought theSLM from me. He reports that word processors fail when he tries to use specials features like italics or bold. So, LaserBrain doesn't emulate the Epson very well. And we all know about the buggy Diablo 630 emulator. so, I was simply getting tired of working around the defiencies of the SLM and when I had an oppportunity to sell my SLM I did. But, my experiences may be different from yours. My needs may be different from yours. And for strictly, narrow, ST work the SLM is great. The SLM is just not as versatile as say a HP Laser Jet or the Panasonic KXP4450. I *KNOW* that I can use my KXP4450 laser printer on a REAL Mac or a REAL IBM, so I canuse it with my Spectre and with pc ditto II straight away. You can't do that with a SLM804 printer. As far as my waffling between *LIKING* the TT/p and *DISLIKING* the TT/p, I am still undecided. I LIKE my ST, but I really dislike the SLM804 laser printer. I like programming on my Mega ST much more than on a Mac, but I like some of the Mac programs that don't have equivalents on the ST. OK, I would like a computer whose software is as good as the Mac's but whose price was like an Atari. I do know that both the Mac and the ST beat *ANY* IBM PC that I have investigated. I dislike the MicroSoft WINDOWS for the PC and since UNIX/X Windows hasn't made it big in the PC world yet, it looks like either a Mac IICi or a NeXT or an Atari TT/x for me. As far as the TT/p goes, I am expressing serious doubts about it based upon my 7 years plus experience with Atari products. And based upon first hand accounts from my friends who have used STs for years. The example I gave about the friend who bought my SLM804 and than couldn't get it to work on his *STOCK* 1040ST and Atari hard drive is typical of the problems faced every day by Atari ST owners. My friend has a 100% Atari ST system that wouldn't boot his Atari hard drive with the Atari SLM804 laser printer attached. He had to replace the ATARI hard drive interface with an ICD (Hurray for ICD, I own 2 of their fine host adpaters) Host Adapter in order to get his Atari hard drive to boot with the Atari SLM804 laser printer. I won't have that problem with the Panasonic KXP4450 laser printer! As far as the response to Ken B. from Atari goes, I was simply expressing the concern about the TT/p's expandability. If Atari has *NEVER* made an expandable computer in the past, and that is a true statement, than *WHY* should we expect the TT/p to be expandable. Heck, even the Mega ST2, the Business Computer from Atari, can't be expanded to 4 megabytes, according to Ken B. from Atari. > > Ieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! > > -- Steve Yelvington, up at the (frozen) lake in Minnesota > UUCP: ... pwcs.StPaul.GOV!stag!thelake!steve > > PS: If you would fix your postnews and/or install a .sig file with a valid > mail address, maybe people would razz you without posting it to the entire > flipping planet. Steve, I did fix my .sig and now you can email to me directly. OK? Folks, I am trying not to dwell on the negatives. I bought the KXP4450 simply so I could use more software (Mac, IBM, and ST) than I could with my SLM804. I don't know how well Atari will support the TT/p or even if it will be as described. I just *HOPE* that it is a little more expandable and reliable than the Megas or the other STs. I also hope that Atari does something to help both Atari Dealers and Atari USA magazines survive. I still like my MegaST4, and hope that the TT/x will persuade me to buy a TT. But, I have serious doubts, and it may well turn out that the ST will be the *LAST* Atari computer sold in the USA. Other computers have died, and there is no reason to believe that the Atari can't die either. So, I muddle along with my Mark Williams C compiler and my Flight Simulator!! -- Richard E. Covert (covertr@gtephx) (602) - 581-4652 | AG Communications Systems, Phoenix AZ | UUCP: ?ncar!noao!asuvax | uunet!zardoz!hrc | att?!gtephx!covertr ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 89 18:07:00 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!uhnix1!uhnix2!ua ce0@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Michael B. Vederman) Subject: Trash, Disks, etc. Message-ID: <929@uhnix2.uh.edu> In article <1353@uvm-gen.UUCP> pegram@uvm-gen.UUCP (pegram r) writes: >From article <9911@saturn.ucsc.edu>, by dstr012@ucscg.UCSC.EDU (10003012): >> Does anyone out there have or know where I can get a program to change >> the Trash and file cabinet icons on the desktop? The old desktop is getting >> pretty boring and I am due for a change. Thanks. >> >> Roman Baker > >1) Buy Neodesk, you get all sorts of icons, lose ?$40 and at least 21K ram. > However, is much the best idea. [stuff deleted] Double Click Software (us) is about to release a new product called DC DESKTOP. This AUTO folder program will *not* replace, but _enhance_ the GEM desktop so much, you won't believe your eyes! You will get unique icons for eeach file, icons on the desktop (for quick execution), a 'cabinet' of programs (so you can store all your programs in one place), a printer spooler that works like a disk drive (drag the file to the printer icon on the desktop - or save to it from a file), replaces the desktop's _boring_ & _useless_ 'SHOW' command with a more powerful one, has a trashcan that acts like a trashcan (so you can 'undelete' files), PC 'XCOPY' type copy from the desktop, change the desktop to a picture or pattern, keystroke equivalents for desktop commands, and probably a few morefeatures I can't remember off hand! All of this resides *in* memory, and is currently less than 30K!!! That's right, the program is less than 30K, and it does all this. You can use even less memory if you don't need all the features. Best of all, it stays in memory at all times (no more reloading or huge memory requirements), and it _enhances_ the GEM desktop, so everything still remains 100% compatible and the interface is just as you've always used, nothing new to remember. Before you go calling us up wanting to order, let me just say that it goes into beta-testing this week. Release is estimated for Feb. 1990, and the retail price will be $39.95. We will release specific info when it is released. (Oh yes, everything is written in 100% assembly language.) - mike -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Double Click Me | Double Click Software | P.O. Box 741206 | Houston, Tx, 77274 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Support BBS: (713)944-0108 | SHADOW | DC FORMATTER | DC UTILITIES | and others ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 89 13:46:44 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!phigate!prle!prles2!nvpna1!ebeam@uunet.uu.net (Otto Meijer 44005) Subject: VERSAdos ? Message-ID: <802@prles2.UUCP> Hi there, at the moment i'm working with a VERSAdos machine. This supose to be from motorola. The problem is i can only spend 4 hours on the machine which is not enough. So can someone tell me how i can read VERSAdos disks on my Atari, maybe someone wrote already a programm for it and could send me this. Or if someone knows which format VERSAdos uses i will write a programm myself. I could even post it to comp.sources.atari.st if it works fine. Thanxs for reading this. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Otto Meijer Tel: (7)42667 WAGp 324 meijer::nvpnaa Nat.Lab. ebeam@prle.prl.philips.nl Holland (c) 1989 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 89 20:04:55 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!shawl@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu Subject: What Kermit/UNITERM bugs? Message-ID: <19315@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> In article <2748@dogie.macc.wisc.edu>, gilmore@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Neil Gilmore) writes: > In article <8912010813.AA04349@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, 01659@AECLCR.BITNET (Greg Csullog) writes... > >>One netter mentioned problems with UNITERM's Kermit. On our site, which >>has a CYBER 830/990 combo and various VAXs, such as an 8550, the only Kermit >>that works flawlessly with full server support is UNITERM's Kermit. Some >>20 - 40 people use it almost daily. I use UNITERM Kermit in text or binary >>mode almost every day and I have never had one problem. I've tried Versa-Term >>Pro and Red Ryder under Mac emulation but they do not have server support. >>Neither does ZSTEM or SmarTerm 240 for the PCs. The ONLY Kermit I trust is >>UNITERM's so WHAT problems are there? > I agree with much of what is said, but with some modification. Until very recently, I was using version 1.7b; it worked flawlessly in all cases EXCEPT sending DEGAS format pictures to our VAX. Before I was even aware of UNITERM, I purchased ANSIGRAPH; I have had no troubles with its KERMIT at all. So, while I use UNITERM as my standard, I changed to ANSIGRAPH for any long binaries. I have not tried UNITERM 2.0e on a degas picture yet. Steve Shawl bitnet: SHAWL@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu ------------------------------ End of INFO-ATARI16 Digest V89 Issue #756 *****************************************